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Fantasy » alt.fan.tolkien » [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot
[OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15214] Sa, 26 März 2005 12:37
redirect  
[ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain [*Yet*.
Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier shows me around.
We saw the Book of Kells and the very ancient Long Room, library in
Trinity College. It doesn't happen anymore in NL, that one gets to see
the real books in long rows.

I am very worried, though, as to whether or not I'll live to see the
Netherlands again. They're all driving on the wrong side of the road,
even the Police, and they also sit at the wrong side of the car. And
people just ignore the traffic-lights and walk, cycle and drive right
through regardless. And the traffic signs are widely ignored, though I
suppose that is to be expected when they are all mixed up between miles
and kilometres! Also, they give directions in some strange gibberish,
which does not remotely look or even sound like English.

Although, we have not yet met Michael O'Neill, which I am told is
reason enough on its' own to visit Ireland. Like the Wilde Ier, a 'real
gentleman', or so Jette says!

They are trying to poison foreigners, I am sure, putting milk in our
tea all the time and *lots* of it. And let's not mention what they try
to stuff down your throat in the morning. Beans, sausages, and
something called 'White Pudding' which also tastes like sausage! -
Henriette]

Well, we've only just begun. Now, I will show you all the museums, and
the pubs, and even the shops (though I Have A Bad Feeling About This).

--

"Keyes said we have to get out of the habit of saying that judgment
will come upon our nation sometime in the future as a result of
abortion, because that judgment is already here, as was made manifest
on September 11."

http://www.massnews.com/2003_Editions/1_Jan/012403_mn_alan_k eyes_faneuil.shtml
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15216 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 13:08
Prai Jei  
Een Wilde Ier (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:

> [ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain [*Yet*.
> Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier
Sorry don't speak Gaelic. Could you interpret the last bit please?

> I am very worried, though, as to whether or not I'll live to see the
> Netherlands again. They're all driving on the wrong side of the road,
> even the Police, and they also sit at the wrong side of the car.
The UK is just the same.

The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will be driven on the
right side of the road for a three-month trial period beginning on 1st.
April. If it proves successful, after the three months, lorries and buses
will also switch to driving on the right side of the road.

> Also, they give directions in some strange gibberish,
> which does not remotely look or even sound like English.
Same thing happens here in Wales.

:)
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15218 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 13:27
Yuk Tang  
"Een Wilde Ier" <redirect [at] dublin.ie> wrote in
news:1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
> Although, we have not yet met Michael O'Neill, which I am told is
> reason enough on its' own to visit Ireland.

Is it necessary to visit Ireland to not meet Michael O'Neill?


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15219 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 13:31
Yuk Tang  
Prai Jei <pvstownsend [at] zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:d23iul$7fl$1 [at] news7.svr.pol.co.uk:
> Een Wilde Ier (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
> message <1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> [ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain
>> [*Yet*. Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier
>
> Sorry don't speak Gaelic. Could you interpret the last bit please?

'Wait for the downpour, missus' translated into English:
'Wait until the cricket is due to start'.


>> I am very worried, though, as to whether or not I'll live to see
>> the Netherlands again. They're all driving on the wrong side of
>> the road, even the Police, and they also sit at the wrong side of
>> the car.
>
> The UK is just the same.
>
> The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will be driven
> on the right side of the road for a three-month trial period
> beginning on 1st. April. If it proves successful, after the three
> months, lorries and buses will also switch to driving on the right
> side of the road.

I've seen pictures of the Falklands during the Argentine occupation,
with arrows on the roads telling the Islanders to drive on the right.
Needless to say, they continued to drive on the left.

AFAIK, Hong Kong, for obvious reasons, and Japan, less obviously,
also drive on the left. Any explanation for the latter?


--
Cheers, ymt.
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15224 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 17:33
Taemon  
Prai Jei wrote:

> The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will
> be driven on the right side of the road for a three-month
> trial period beginning on 1st. April. If it proves
> successful, after the three months, lorries and buses
> will also switch to driving on the right side of the
> road.

ROFL!

T. (all alone in the Netherlands. Well, not really)
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15229 ] Sa, 26 März 2005 23:56
Prai Jei  
Yuk Tang (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<Xns96257F76AA6B5jimlaker2yahoocom [at] 130.133.1.4>:

> Prai Jei <pvstownsend [at] zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
> news:d23iul$7fl$1 [at] news7.svr.pol.co.uk:
>> Een Wilde Ier (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
>> message <1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>> [ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain
>>> [*Yet*. Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier
>>
>> Sorry don't speak Gaelic. Could you interpret the last bit please?
>
> 'Wait for the downpour, missus' translated into English:
> 'Wait until the cricket is due to start'.
>
>
>>> I am very worried, though, as to whether or not I'll live to see
>>> the Netherlands again. They're all driving on the wrong side of
>>> the road, even the Police, and they also sit at the wrong side of
>>> the car.
>>
>> The UK is just the same.
>>
>> The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will be driven
>> on the right side of the road for a three-month trial period
>> beginning on 1st. April. If it proves successful, after the three
>> months, lorries and buses will also switch to driving on the right
>> side of the road.
>
> I've seen pictures of the Falklands during the Argentine occupation,
> with arrows on the roads telling the Islanders to drive on the right.
> Needless to say, they continued to drive on the left.
>
> AFAIK, Hong Kong, for obvious reasons, and Japan, less obviously,
> also drive on the left. Any explanation for the latter?

Japan is an island nation like the Falklands, Malta or Australia, so there
is no land border with any right-driving country. Although there is a land
border between the UK and Ireland, both countries drive on the left. There
is therefore no border-crossing difficulty.

Sweden *did* change from left to right in 1967 - fortunately, all classes of
vehicles changed together :) Up until then they were the only mainland
European country still driving on the left.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15233 ] So, 27 März 2005 01:45
Raven  
"Yuk Tang" <jim.laker2 [at] yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Xns96257F76AA6B5jimlaker2yahoocom [at] 130.133.1.4...

> 'Wait for the downpour, missus' translated into English:
> 'Wait until the cricket is due to start'.

It translates in to the Bergen dialect as "Vent to hjerteslag, frøken".

Ravn.
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15236 ] So, 27 März 2005 04:42
Flame of the West  
Prai Jei wrote:

> Sweden *did* change from left to right in 1967 - fortunately, all classes of
> vehicles changed together :) Up until then they were the only mainland
> European country still driving on the left.

It must be difficult getting a car's driver seat and
passenger seat switched!


-- FotW

"The deeds of Men will outlast us, Gimli."

-- Legolas, immortal Elf
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15244 ] So, 27 März 2005 17:04
Prai Jei  
Flame of the West (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
message <oJ6dneoCGKEFgNvfRVn-2w [at] comcast.com>:

> Prai Jei wrote:
>
>> Sweden *did* change from left to right in 1967 - fortunately, all classes
>> of vehicles changed together :) Up until then they were the only mainland
>> European country still driving on the left.
>
> It must be difficult getting a car's driver seat and
> passenger seat switched!

For many years in Sweden all vehicles had had the driving position on the
left in anticipation of the changeover, so there were no real problems on
the day. Admittedly conversion of an existing vehicle would be difficult.

The EU bureaucrats in Brussels have raised the vague possibility of the UK
and Ireland changing over to driving on the right, but each time (so far)
we have shouted them down. It wouldn't be just a matter of installing new
signs and rearranging the traffic signals - some of our roads are designed
specifically for driving on the left and could not easily be reversed. To
take one example close to home, the A4060 dual carriageway between
Pentrebach and Dowlais. The two carriageways take quite different routes,
with a "central reservation" (median or centre divide) about half a mile
across at its widest. The northbound (uphill) side is nearly twice as long
as the southbound (downhill) side, designed specifically to ease the
gradient for uphill traffic. This road could not simply be reversed without
a major rebuild.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15245 ] So, 27 März 2005 16:17
Raven  
"Prai Jei" <pvstownsend [at] zyx-abc.fsnet.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:d26e4q$666$1 [at] newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...

> The EU bureaucrats in Brussels have raised the vague possibility of the UK
> and Ireland changing over to driving on the right, but each time (so far)
> we have shouted them down.

The problem may solve itself in twenty years' time or so, when computers
and sensors become so advanced that we can leave driving to them. Or for
those who insist on driving themselves (before this becomes outlawed because
of traffic accidents) there may be a computerized warning: "Hey you, get
back in the wrong side of the road, we're in the UK now!"
ObDriving oneself, I have found driving long stretches on the highway so
boring that I would love to have a sufficiently advanced computer drive for
me. Then I could look up from my book or daydream or movie or whatever as I
pulled into my driveway.

Crú.
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15256 ] Mo, 28 März 2005 14:54
Flame of the West  
Prai Jei wrote:

> The EU bureaucrats in Brussels have raised the vague possibility of the UK
> and Ireland changing over to driving on the right, but each time (so far)
> we have shouted them down.

You'd think the Eurocrats would be a little more
careful about handing ammunition to the British
opponents of EU integration. Then again, I heard
once that they have actually prevented the Germans
from enforcing their centuries-old standards for
beer, so they must feel they can do anything.


-- FotW

"The deeds of Men will outlast us, Gimli."

-- Legolas, immortal Elf
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15262 ] Mo, 28 März 2005 19:10
Prai Jei  
Flame of the West (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
message <YPydnar0PfHiY9rfRVn-rg [at] comcast.com>:

> Prai Jei wrote:
>
>> The EU bureaucrats in Brussels have raised the vague possibility of the
>> UK and Ireland changing over to driving on the right, but each time (so
>> far) we have shouted them down.
>
> You'd think the Eurocrats would be a little more
> careful about handing ammunition to the British
> opponents of EU integration. Then again, I heard
> once that they have actually prevented the Germans
> from enforcing their centuries-old standards for
> beer, so they must feel they can do anything.

Next thing we know, tea will become a controlled substance, available only
on a doctor's prescription.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15266 ] Mo, 28 März 2005 20:47
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Flame of the West hal!
> Then again, I heard once that they have actually
> prevented the Germans from enforcing their
> centuries-old standards for beer, so they must feel
> they can do anything.

Have you been reading the Telegraph, comrade Flame? The recent decision
on the Reinheitsgebot had nothing to do with EU law. All that happened
was that a *German* administrative court ruled that the addition of
sugar syrup to beer after the brewing process did not violate the
Reinheitsgebot; the resulting bevrage was in law on the same legal
footing as beers to which herbs had been added. Where does the EU come
into any of this?

Or are you talking about what happened in 1987, when the ECJ held that
Germany could not use the Reinheitsgebot as a tool to protect local
breweries against competition from other European beers? At any rate,
that ruling didn't prevent prevent Germany from enforcing its beer
standards either. All it did was prevent Germany from trying to enforce
its beer standards against non-German companies whose beers met European
standards.

--
Arvind

A dean is to faculty as a hydrant is to a dog. - Alfred Kahn
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15275 ] Di, 29 März 2005 04:34
Flame of the West  
TT Arvind wrote:

> Have you been reading the Telegraph, comrade Flame?

Of course I have, but that's not where I got this.

> Or are you talking about what happened in 1987, when the ECJ held that
> Germany could not use the Reinheitsgebot as a tool to protect local
> breweries against competition from other European beers? At any rate,
> that ruling didn't prevent prevent Germany from enforcing its beer
> standards either. All it did was prevent Germany from trying to enforce
> its beer standards against non-German companies whose beers met European
> standards.

That's it. Just like here in the States, localities must move
to the lowest common denominator in the name of capitalist
competition. No room for local traditions if it interferes
with the unfettered free market. I do not think the Germans
were guilty of protectionism since they were not forbidding
the import of beers that met their standards (AIUI). I do
not think standards of quality should be confused with
protectionism.


-- FotW

"The deeds of Men will outlast us, Gimli."

-- Legolas, immortal Elf
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15286 ] Di, 29 März 2005 16:46
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Flame of the West hal!

> That's it. Just like here in the States, localities must move
> to the lowest common denominator in the name of capitalist
> competition. No room for local traditions if it interferes
> with the unfettered free market.

Should the State set standards of quality for food when they are not
necessary for protecting public health? When it's just a question of
how a particular product tastes, shouldn't the public should be free to
decide what taste they prefer? Should the German government really be
able to make it illegal to brew according to Belgian traditions?

I think the Government should be able to specify a quality mark, and say
that only beer brewed in accordance with German traditions can call
itself "traditional beer" or "German beer". This is exactly what the
ECJ's judgment gives them. Doing more is, in my opinion, an unnecessary
infringement on individual liberties.

> I do not think the Germans were guilty of protectionism since
> they were not forbidding the import of beers that met
> their standards (AIUI). I do not think standards of quality
> should be confused with protectionism.

Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms. The EU is
about economic integration, not free trade, and that means one needs to
take a rather different approach towards what constitutes an obstacle to
market access than one would if one were merely concerned with free
trade.

--
Arvind

The straightest arrow is still a bringer of death
a bent harp still brings melodies and joy
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15319 ] Mi, 30 März 2005 17:26
Hashemon Urtasman  
TT Arvind wrote:
> Wes ðu Flame of the West hal!
>
>
>>That's it. Just like here in the States, localities must move
>>to the lowest common denominator in the name of capitalist
>>competition. No room for local traditions if it interferes
>>with the unfettered free market.
>
>
> Should the State set standards of quality for food when they are not
> necessary for protecting public health? When it's just a question of
> how a particular product tastes, shouldn't the public should be free to
> decide what taste they prefer? Should the German government really be
> able to make it illegal to brew according to Belgian traditions?
>
> I think the Government should be able to specify a quality mark, and say
> that only beer brewed in accordance with German traditions can call
> itself "traditional beer" or "German beer". This is exactly what the
> ECJ's judgment gives them. Doing more is, in my opinion, an unnecessary
> infringement on individual liberties.
>



Well the problem, perhaps, is that whole concept of a national brand is
too broad a generalization. "Culture" should be threated as some sort
of public information, of something like the model which open-source
uses where everybody uses the corpus, but when you add to it it is for
others to judge whether they want your changes to become part of the
main "branch' of the software or not.

How much of culture resides in the world of private corporate trade
secrets and their guarantees of superior quality?

Letting people define their own drinks, and public the process by which
they make it for others to benefit from and enhance, would be much more
profitable in the long term than the current system of everyone keeping
their own methods secret, and "blindly" testing the finished products
afterwards for quality reasons.

In other words, there should be a marketplace of designs and industrial
processes, these should be standardized at the micro-level, and not just
finished products.

Hasan

>
>>I do not think the Germans were guilty of protectionism since
>>they were not forbidding the import of beers that met
>>their standards (AIUI). I do not think standards of quality
>>should be confused with protectionism.
>
>
> Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms. The EU is
> about economic integration, not free trade, and that means one needs to
> take a rather different approach towards what constitutes an obstacle to
> market access than one would if one were merely concerned with free
> trade.
>
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15337 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:00
Henriette  
Prai Jei wrote:
> Een Wilde Ier (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
message
> <1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > [ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain
[*Yet*.
> > Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier
> Sorry don't speak Gaelic. Could you interpret the last bit please?
>
LOL. If you hadn't written these funny lines:
>
> The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will be driven on
the
> right side of the road for a three-month trial period beginning on
1st.
> April. If it proves successful, after the three months, lorries and
buses
> will also switch to driving on the right side of the road.
>
I would have replied seriously to your question, explaining it is not
Irish but Dutch!

If you had not closed off the above quote with this sentence: "If it
proves successful, after the three months, lorries and buses will also
switch to driving on the right side of the road", I would even have
believed about the EU plans!

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15338 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:11
Henriette  
TT Arvind wrote:

> Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms. (snip)

We could go fishing after!

Iniyarutti
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15339 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:20
Henriette  
Raven wrote:
> "Yuk Tang" <jim.laker2 [at] yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:Xns96257F76AA6B5jimlaker2yahoocom [at] 130.133.1.4...
>
> > 'Wait for the downpour, missus' translated into English:
> > 'Wait until the cricket is due to start'.
>
> It translates in to the Bergen dialect as "Vent to hjerteslag,
fr=F8ken".
>
Det tror jeg ikke! Missus would be something like 'fru', not fr=F8ken.
Tak!

EntHierre
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15340 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:23
Henriette  
Taemon wrote:
>
> T. (all alone in the Netherlands. Well, not really)

'Vijftien miljoen mensen, op dat hele kleine stukje aarde'... Maar ik
ben er weer hoor!

H.
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15341 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:31
Henriette  
Yuk Tang wrote:
> "Een Wilde Ier" <redirect [at] dublin.ie> wrote in
> news:1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > Although, we have not yet met Michael O'Neill, which I am told is
> > reason enough on its' own to visit Ireland.
>
> Is it necessary to visit Ireland to not meet Michael O'Neill?
>
Well, it is a bit harder there than in any other country;-)but you are
right: this sentence says something else than it means.

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15342 ] Do, 31 März 2005 10:44
Henriette  
Prai Jei wrote:
>
> For many years in Sweden all vehicles had had the driving position on
the
> left in anticipation of the changeover, so there were no real
problems on
> the day. Admittedly conversion of an existing vehicle would be
difficult.
>
> The EU bureaucrats in Brussels have raised the vague possibility of
the UK
> and Ireland changing over to driving on the right, but each time (so
far)
> we have shouted them down.

Some of the moving staircases in Dublin have been reversed, so the one
going up is on the right. In anticipation of a changeover? Everywhere
where there are many pedestrians it is painted with huge letters on the
street: LOOK RIGHT, or LOOK LEFT. Apparently a lot of Mainlanders are
knocked down every year. To the revolving doors going the wrong way I
got used very easily, it felt 'natural'.

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15361 ] Do, 31 März 2005 19:33
Prai Jei  
Henriette (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<1112256011.850913.264040 [at] l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:

> Prai Jei wrote:
>> Een Wilde Ier (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
> message
>> <1111837079.155757.316940 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> > [ Lots of nice statues here in Dublin and it doesn't even rain
> [*Yet*.
>> > Wait for the downpour, missus! - EWI]. Een Wilde Ier
>> Sorry don't speak Gaelic. Could you interpret the last bit please?
>>
> LOL. If you hadn't written these funny lines:
>>
>> The EU has just proposed for Ireland that all cars will be driven on
> the
>> right side of the road for a three-month trial period beginning on
> 1st.
>> April. If it proves successful, after the three months, lorries and
> buses
>> will also switch to driving on the right side of the road.
>>
> I would have replied seriously to your question, explaining it is not
> Irish but Dutch!
>
> If you had not closed off the above quote with this sentence: "If it
> proves successful, after the three months, lorries and buses will also
> switch to driving on the right side of the road", I would even have
> believed about the EU plans!
>
> Henriette

The starting date of the experiment was a clue, even before the second
sentence made it explicit.

When Queen Street, the main road through Cardiff city centre, was turned
into a one-way street back in the 60's, they had not completed the wiring
of the "other way" route for the trolleybuses [1] with the result that
these vehicles were given dispensation to run the wrong way along Queen
Street for a while.


[1] Electrically powered buses taking power from overhead wires. They can
therefore only operate along wired routes. Now extinct in the UK, they
survive in a few places in mainland Europe e.g. Salzburg, Austria.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15384 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 00:01
Flame of the West  
Hashemon Urtasman wrote:

> Letting people define their own drinks, and public the process by which
> they make it for others to benefit from and enhance, would be much more
> profitable in the long term than the current system of everyone keeping
> their own methods secret, and "blindly" testing the finished products
> afterwards for quality reasons.
>
> In other words, there should be a marketplace of designs and industrial
> processes, these should be standardized at the micro-level, and not just
> finished products.

Nice try, but there's no *way* we're sharing the secret
of Coca-Cola!


-- FotW

Reality is for those who cannot cope with Middle-earth.
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15385 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 00:10
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Henriette hal!
> TT Arvind wrote:
>
> > Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> > protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms. (snip)
>
> We could go fishing after!

We will need a little kelp in order to do that.

--
Arvind

Osborn's Law: Variables won't; constants aren't.
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15396 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 01:41
Jette Goldie  
"Flame of the West" <jsolinas [at] comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gLOdnT-df6j17tHfRVn-jA [at] comcast.com...
> Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
>
> > Letting people define their own drinks, and public the process by
which
> > they make it for others to benefit from and enhance, would be much
more
> > profitable in the long term than the current system of everyone
keeping
> > their own methods secret, and "blindly" testing the finished
products
> > afterwards for quality reasons.
> >
> > In other words, there should be a marketplace of designs and
industrial
> > processes, these should be standardized at the micro-level, and
not just
> > finished products.
>
> Nice try, but there's no *way* we're sharing the secret
> of Coca-Cola!
>

You can keep it - we Scots still prefer our Irn Bru


--
Jette Goldie
jette [at] blueyonder.co.uk
"If you don't care where you are, then you aren't lost"
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15397 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 02:12
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Jette Goldie hal!
> > Nice try, but there's no *way* we're sharing the secret
> > of Coca-Cola!
>
> You can keep it - we Scots still prefer our Irn Bru

Speaking of which, the Bretons have their own variety as well - Breizh
Cola, they call it. Quite nice too, better than Coke in my opinion.

--
Arvind

Cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?
Re: [OT] Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15402 ] Fr, 01 April 2005 05:41
Hashemon Urtasman  
Flame of the West wrote:
> Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
>
>> Letting people define their own drinks, and public the process by
>> which they make it for others to benefit from and enhance, would be
>> much more profitable in the long term than the current system of
>> everyone keeping their own methods secret, and "blindly" testing the
>> finished products afterwards for quality reasons.
>>
>> In other words, there should be a marketplace of designs and
>> industrial processes, these should be standardized at the micro-level,
>> and not just finished products.
>
>
> Nice try, but there's no *way* we're sharing the secret
> of Coca-Cola!
>

Yah, but then Is one coke preferable, or a thousand flavours of the same
drink? The Germans have hundreds of types of sausage, cheeses etc. So
I think they should offer endless varieties of other things. This is
what makes a really 'rich' marketplace. Imagine everything being made
on a small scale, with as much variety as you needed. This is the world
I would hope for.

Hasan
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15457 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 13:03
Henriette  
Flame of the West wrote:
> Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
>
> > In other words, there should be a marketplace of designs and
industrial
> > processes, these should be standardized at the micro-level, and not
just
> > finished products.
>
> Nice try, but there's no *way* we're sharing the secret
> of Coca-Cola!
>
Although "Mecca-Cola" is becoming an increasingly popular soft drink in
Europe. I won't drink either, as both are supposedly also used to put
coins in which one wants to become extraordinairily shiny within a
matter of minutes!

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15458 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 13:08
Henriette  
Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
>
> Yah, but then Is one coke preferable, or a thousand flavours of the
same
> drink? The Germans have hundreds of types of sausage, cheeses
etc.(snip)

Nice try, but the Germans may have hundreds of types of sausage, the
Dutch have the hundreds of types of cheese!

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15459 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 13:27
Henriette  
Prai Jei wrote:

> The starting date of the experiment was a clue, even before the
second
> sentence made it explicit.
>
But the treacherous thing is, that experiments and laws and new jobs
*do* start on April 1st!

> When Queen Street, the main road through Cardiff city centre, was
turned
> into a one-way street back in the 60's, they had not completed the
wiring
> of the "other way" route for the trolleybuses [1] with the result
that
> these vehicles were given dispensation to run the wrong way along
Queen
> Street for a while.
>
LOL, that must have been confusing!
>
> [1] Electrically powered buses taking power from overhead wires. They
can
> therefore only operate along wired routes. Now extinct in the UK,
they
> survive in a few places in mainland Europe e.g. Salzburg, Austria.
> --
We have one city in the Netherlands, Arnhem, where the trolleybus still
survives. In Switzerland (which we call: Zwitserland;-)they can still
be found in all major cities.

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15460 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 13:37
Henriette  
TT Arvind wrote:
> Wes =F0u Henriette hal!
> > TT Arvind wrote:
> >
> > > Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> > > protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms.
(snip)
> >
> > We could go fishing after!
>
> We will need a little kelp in order to do that.
>=20
We'll get by with a little kelp from a fry!

Iniyarutti
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15491 ] Sa, 02 April 2005 21:22
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Henriette hal!
> > >
> > > > Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> > > > protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms.
> (snip)
> > >
> > > We could go fishing after!
> >
> > We will need a little kelp in order to do that.
> >=20
> We'll get by with a little kelp from a fry!

Will they help us, body and sole?

--
Arvind
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15508 ] So, 03 April 2005 02:38
Raven  
"Henriette" <heldenib [at] hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1112440091.253305.181270 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> Hashemon Urtasman wrote:

> > Yah, but then Is one coke preferable, or a thousand flavours of the
> > same drink? The Germans have hundreds of types of sausage,
> > cheeses etc.(snip)

> Nice try, but the Germans may have hundreds of types of sausage, the
> Dutch have the hundreds of types of cheese!

Paraphrasing from a book by Swedish author Wilhelm Moberg: the French
have one religion and a hundred sauces. The Americans have a hundred
religions and one sauce - and that is difficult to come by.

Corbeau.
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15523 ] So, 03 April 2005 20:38
Hashemon Urtasman  
Henriette wrote:
> Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
>
>>Yah, but then Is one coke preferable, or a thousand flavours of the
>
> same
>
>>drink? The Germans have hundreds of types of sausage, cheeses
>
> etc.(snip)
>
> Nice try, but the Germans may have hundreds of types of sausage, the
> Dutch have the hundreds of types of cheese!
>
> Henriette
>


I was thinking it was the French who had most of the varities of cheese.
But I did not want to comment on the cheese in Europe, ... for I know
don't know enough about Europe or it's flavours of cheese to be able to
do so. ;)

Hasan
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15526 ] So, 03 April 2005 22:00
Prai Jei  
Hashemon Urtasman (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
message <YJW3e.2098$Fy3.105122 [at] news20.bellglobal.com>:

> I was thinking it was the French who had most of the varities of cheese.
> But I did not want to comment on the cheese in Europe, ... for I know
> don't know enough about Europe or it's flavours of cheese to be able to
> do so. ;)
>
> Hasan

When I was in France on business I picked up the nickname "pas de fromage"
since that was what I kept having to say in the restaurants. I hate the
stuff! The EU are welcome to ban as many varieties as they wish, with my
blessing.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15560 ] Mo, 04 April 2005 18:42
Henriette  
Hashemon Urtasman wrote:
> Henriette wrote:

> > Nice try, but the Germans may have hundreds of types of sausage,
the
> > Dutch have the hundreds of types of cheese!
>
> I was thinking it was the French who had most of the varities of
cheese.

Come to think of it, you must be right. Sorry France and Hasan!

> But I did not want to comment on the cheese in Europe, ... for I
know
> don't know enough about Europe or it's flavours of cheese to be able
to
> do so. ;)

But you will know by now how peculiar these inhabitants of those small
countries can get... BTW did we ever discuss where you live?

IIRC you were in this thread commenting on the possibility of having a
really open world market with hundreds of varieties of every product.
That sounds nice, although when I walk into a supermarket I often wish
I would not have to choose from 25 brands of washing powder, 40 brands
of toothpaste etc. and find out which ones are the least toxic.

Henriette
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15563 ] Mo, 04 April 2005 18:56
Henriette  
TT Arvind wrote:
> Wes =F0u Henriette hal!
> > > >
> > > > > Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> > > > > protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms.
> > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > We could go fishing after!
> > >
> > > We will need a little kelp in order to do that.
> > >=3D20
> > We'll get by with a little kelp from a fry!
>
> Will they help us, body and sole?
>=20
Only when anybody puts a sole in your bucket!

Iniyarutti
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15564 ] Mo, 04 April 2005 19:05
Henriette  
Raven wrote:
>
> Paraphrasing from a book by Swedish author Wilhelm Moberg: the
French
> have one religion and a hundred sauces. The Americans have a hundred
> religions and one sauce - and that is difficult to come by.
>=20
Jag tycker inte om s=C5s!

Br=FCnnhilde
Re: Dublin Micro-Moot [message #15600 ] Di, 05 April 2005 16:22
TT Arvind  
Wes ðu Henriette hal!
> > > > > > Standards of quality are often used as a disguised form of
> > > > > > protectionism, but we don't need to open that can of worms.
> > > > > We could go fishing after!
> > > > We will need a little kelp in order to do that.
> > > We'll get by with a little kelp from a fry!
> > Will they help us, body and sole?
> Only when anybody puts a sole in your bucket!

In other words, it's not something we can be complaicent about.

--
Arvind
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